Re: [fltk.coredev] About mixing Fl::awake(Fl_Awake_Handler, void*) and Fl::awake(void*)

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Re: About mixing Fl::awake(Fl_Awake_Handler, void*) and Fl::awake(void*) Bill Spitzak 13:34 Jul 06 top right image
 
I'm pretty certain that Fl::awake(void* message) is exactly the same as Fl::awake(F, message) where F is a "Fl_Awake_Handler" that is internal to fltk. Basically it does not conflict or have any problems different from any other implementation of an Fl_Awake_Handler. This one just stores message in a static variable.

On Mon, Jul 5, 2021 at 12:33 PM Albrecht Schlosser <AlbrechtS.fltk@online.de> wrote:
On 7/5/21 3:09 PM Manolo wrote:

Does any fellow developer know why the FLTK threading doc states :
"Don't intermix use of Fl::awake(Fl_Awake_Handler cb, void* userdata) and Fl::awake(void* message) calls in the same program as they may interact unpredictably on some platforms" ?

Do these platforms include Linux?

I'm asking because I'm exploring the use of Posix timers to implement Fl::add_timeout() 
for the Wayland platform (see the timer_create() and timer_settime() functions).
These functions allow to trigger the timer either as a signal or starting a thread.
I've chosen the thread option, and have the thread call Fl::awake(cb, data)
so that the timer's callback gets then called by the main thread in its event loop.

Despite the warning in the docs I believe that using Fl::awake(Fl_Awake_Handler cb, void* userdata) is always "on the safe side". As Ian wrote already, the warning may be from an older part of the docs.

I believe the warning is platform independent and the part "on some platforms" can probably be removed. I would add that Fl::awake(void* message) is always kinda unreliable but using Fl::awake(Fl_Awake_Handler cb, void* userdata) is always reliable as long as you don't use the same userdata pointer during the lifetime of such an Fl::awake() request. With "lifetime" I mean the time from writing to the memory pointed to by userdata until it is processed by the awake handler. This is the essential part.

The docs of Fl::awake(void* message) say: "The default message handler saves the last message which can be accessed using the Fl::thread_message() function." This means that there is only one (likely static) storage location which will be overwritten if you call Fl::awake(void* message) more frequently than the awake call can be serviced. This will drop all intermediate messages and only the last message can ever be retrieved by the user program with Fl::thread_message(). Hence, the user program is responsible for not calling Fl::awake(void* message) more often than can be serviced by the FLTK main loop.

Note: I'm currently not able to verify this in the source code, but I believe this is the case.

If you add to this load by using Fl::awake(void* message) internally this would increase the load and unpredictable behavior would be the result.

However, if you only use Fl::awake(Fl_Awake_Handler cb, void* userdata) with its specific handler and userdata I don't think that there would be a conflict with user code, even if the user program used Fl::awake(void* message).

The problem with mixing both types of calls is maybe caused by potentially inverting the order of events, hence this should always be avoided, but if since the timer callbacks would likely not be related to any user code ... it might not effect the user code at all. Hopefully.

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